Serious Questions~!

[IGAMBLEALOT]

I have a serious question to ask you guys about casinos! I am going to make my statement just short of saying the casinos are rigged or scandalous! Okay, my question is this! Why is it 999 times out of 1000 when you get either the bonus symbols or free spin symbols in the first and 2nd rows that you will almost never hit the free spins or bonus rounds? Anyone with a good answer please speak up, because I am starting to really question the ethics of these software makers. And my next question is why is it the longer you play at a casino during a given period of time, the more you loose? For example, I deposited $150, had it up to $300 and withdrew my original $150 and then from there no matter what slot I played it took my money....and I swapped back and forth between about 20 different slots and never once hit a bonus or free spins round.....very strange!!!!

 

[allen5613]

Casino's here, online, must make money to stay in business, and have money for promotions and tournaments. You cannot make a living from gambling online. Be prepared to loose or maybe win some. Casual, entertainment is the best policy. Best of entertainment to you............Have a good day...


Everyday is a holiday..........

 

[ceks79]

You take the word out of my mouth... LOL Everyone here experience the same thing I think... I can write a book about this after my 10 years playing online... Some day I will and Ill crash the whole online gambling industry. LOLOL

I just hoping for those very few gamsessions you actually get a fair chance and you blance go up and down and then up again and down and everything act randomly...but in 99 of 100 cases things are not as they should IF it actually was random and fair. I dont mind losing but I want some excitment and a fair chance...these essential free spins features too often stop coming, some kind of blocking device sets in or payout % are lowered to 2%...ther IS some kind of catch we dont really know about. If the slot ahd a 97% payout it should be much more random.

I dont have time for this...soe day Ill post something too amazing and you really will question the randomness of the games...

 

[jdguiles]

It's very Frustrating for sure..However my best explanation is...The casino's are set to pay out by percentage...When it takes in so much it pays out so much.Say the take is 1000.00 When they reach a 1,000.00 it pays out say 750.00 I'm unsure the percentages. However after it pays out it has to take in so much again before it will pay out. Like my last deposit last nite went like this as well i deposited 20.00 played it up to 125.00 it was hitting nice Then obviously someone hit big and from there on i lost consistantly till it was gone. It sucks but someone won it.

 

[IGAMBLEALOT]

Well I just want to make it very clear that I am by no means angry! I just wish it was a little more so "called random" then what they make it believe to be. Which I know random just means some win and some don't. But random to me would be like a deck of cards, you get some good hands and some bad hands, but you do have the chance to get say 50 winning hands in a row in the casino playing with real cards as they cannot fix that. :O

 

[sorcer3ss (RETIRED)]

I found it interesting what you said about not hitting the bonus rounds or free spins much when you get two in the first two reels, I find it otherwise, that's when I mostly get them, especially on secret admirer at Microgaming.

 

[vixen777]

I think maybe you should take a break from gambling if that is how you feel. I see the opposite and let me tell you I just came back from Vegas where I lost my ass big time! I come home to Red Flush and hit 5k, I was an azz and lost it all back but that is way more then I have ever won at a land based casino.

If your playing in a casino we list your NOT being cheated that is a promise, if you playing some place where we warn you then so sorry but we do warn.

Anyway Ceks you cannot be serious, go have a look in the jackpot rm for someone that wins as much as you cannot be getting cheated come on!!

 

[casinosally0]

i agree with you Vixen. the odds are way better on line than with land based casinos. We all have good streaks and bad ones. the casinos here are fair, you may not hit one day then a day or 2 later you hit bonuses left and right! that's why they call it "gambling"

 

[ceks79]

Like I said, in 1 of 100 gamesession I may win more or less...but what I see how the slots act during all my playing is juts not random. Its not random when you make 200 spins worth $2 on a Rival and then when you have 5 cents left and lower you bet to 5 paylines and make that last spin and you hit a free spins feature and you win $150 on one of the 10 free spins in Cosmic Quest 2. And the few free spins you got when you played $2 bet gave a few cents... How many 100 tims doesnt strange things like that happen? And when I raise beck to $2 I play away that $150 and win nothing at all....its just not random, its so rigged it can be!

This is juts one example of what I see during all my play...all Softwares are pretty much the same....and these tooo looong persiods when the free spins just is totally blocked...its not random..its a built in feature to get winnings back or to say "its enough" now... Not random.

 

[cas1944]

Call it what you want...I call it entertainment and if I win..yippee!!...if i lose it....I had fun doing it.

sleigh
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[CareyG]

Of course its rigged Ceks. So are the landbased casinos, I was at one this weekend and was betting max and couldnt hit the bonus for anything, So I lose all my money and am down to like 2 cents left in the machine and bang i hit the bonus. lol Its the story if gambling and its the chances we take when we play, Sonmetimes you get lucky and the machines are really loose for you but most of the time you just cant win for nothing! Thats why its called gambling. Even with the odds totally against me I still love to play and hopefully one day the odds will be in my favor and I will hit that big jackpot!!​

 

[IGAMBLEALOT]

Okay, for the record yet again I am not saying I am angry and will stop playing!!! I do enjoy playing and enjoy the "WHAT IF's" with gambling.

Vixen, yes, land based casinos will always have lower odds because of their overhead. So you will never win as much at a land based casino!!! That is a given and proven fact. There are some that do because someone has to win, but for 99% of everyone else, they will always loose more on land.
Vix, I only play at casinos that are very well respected like Vegas Regal, INetBet, CasinoUS, GoWild Casino and Intertops.

I didn't start this thread to get people angry or think I am saying casinos are scum bags, I was just asking why they are so not random like they claim they are? I do have a friend that is a programmer for a very well known gaming software maker and he said that there are built in tricks that he cannot discuss without losing his job. Dang, wish he would loose his job so he could discuss.....te he....just kidding! Wish he would go somewhere else so he could discuss. :O But he basically said the games are all networked together and they can play with the odds in so many ways it would make a person crazy if they knew the tricks they can pull on gamblers.....OUCH!!!!

 

[vixen777]

Ilovetogamble this thread is a debate and I personally love a good debate! That is what this forum is for to express what we feel and as long as everyone keeps that in mind and don't do personal attacks it can be fun. I think this thread is great so far!

 

[IGAMBLEALOT]

Okay!! COOL!!! Thanks Vix.......

 

[ceks79]

I do have a friend that is a programmer for a very well known gaming software maker and he said that there are built in tricks that he cannot discuss without losing his job

I love to gamble too(who doesn´t in here?) And I dont mind losing often, but these "tricks" and built in features that make the player lose are often too obvious. Sometimes I really wonder if the programmer and casino personal actually have tried the games themselves. They always refer to gambling commissions and testing program and that the randomness are based on some Random Nuber Generator that some old man invented 20 years ago and ...I wonder if thay have updated and that RNG and at any thime over the years when games get more advanced they may expose the old RNG easier with very very strange phenomenas and acting.

Basicly...their testprogram wouldn´t see anything strange in this example...

Lets say I deposit $100 and then I make one $1 spin and win $1000....wow, that is a great win whic hsometimes happen...ok now I have $1099 in balance...and if I contine play $1 spins and I win nothing at all on my next 1001 spins I once again have a $100 balance...I havent won anythign and I havent lost any thing and their testprogram would probably say I had 100% payout % at that points and its nothing out of the ordinary....in theory its right... But how about making 1001 spins in a row wihtout winnign anything at all....is that really fair and random?? Its very unlikely that would happen but still it wouldnt show up as anything strange in their testprogram which test the randomness and payout %.

How many time havet you almost reached a zero balance when you win alot back on just that last spin? And when you change bet you often see a big change in payouts and very often trigger a bonus round or free spin feature. And how many time is it just totally impossible to get these feature that comes each and every minute in the beginning of gamesession? And when you have lost and re-deposit you instantly win some gain and free spins are coming, like the game have been reset in some way.

If these strange phenomenas could be more hidden by the programmer I would be much happier... And most often you win alot more in free spin features on very small bets...a huge bet dont generate as much as a small bet if you count it x/bet. If it does you have that extreme luck you once in a while do have...but not as often as when you vet pennies.

Ok, Im done here, Ill be back at Christmas...

 

[IGAMBLEALOT]

Ceks, I am so totally following your posts! Because I am in the same boat riding along with you. How about this: I took up the free $50 offer from Slots Jackpot Casino, the new Rival that just came out. So I head over to that game clue game and no lie, within 10 mins my balance is over 2k! I hit, get ready for this, 8 bonus rounds in a row! tell me how often that has happened ever to anyone? NEVER! And then, within 5 more mins I get 45 free spins on a 4.50 bet and win over 2k yet again off those free spins....guess what, max cashout is $50......so right now my balance in my account stands at over 5k and have already made playthrough in a matter of 30 mins I made the 5k playthrough betting $20 a spin.....and this isn't the first time this has happened on free money.....it's almost as if they want you to win to redeposit more money thinking you can re-create these spins and win just like you did on the free money. And yep, most people would do it just like myself thinking it might happen and 99.9% of the time it never does for anyone but that 1% who do happen to win. AHHHH.....gambling!!!

 

[judyb57]

WHOA, you are winning? Bastards!!! How much does that suck?

 

[IGAMBLEALOT]

Yeah, I know!! I am winning, but only $50 here an there on the free chips that max cashout is 1x bonus.....when I deposit, I win NOTHING!!! Now tell me that doesn't suck when I just had my account up to say 5k and then make a $100 deposit plus my $50 already in my account and can't hit a damn bonus round on any game......OUCH!!! Now who's the bastards....he he

 

[ceks79]

Yes, that is one other thing, always when you claim a match offer you may win alot in the beginning but when you close in to reach the playthough requirments on that bonus the games just dies and you are below the actual deposited amount if you reach the playthough so there is no use to withdraw....LOL!! ...and then you lose it all ofcoarse.

 

[IGAMBLEALOT]

And guess what, it has happened again! I was playing on one of the free $20 Tropicana bonuses and I am not over $400 after my first spin on the time machine game....very first .60 spin I hit 4 ladies for 45 spins at 6x payout. Then, I hit 3 ladies 3 times in a row and after the 45 spins, I had another 30 spins to play on. YIKES! And max cashout is $40......UGH!!!! Why can this not happen with my deposits dam'it!!!